There is room for improvement for the H20 Frogs following their first two meets against Mountain West Conference opponents, said head coach Richard Sybesma.Thursday, the women faced the Colorado State Rams, and Saturday, both the men's and women's teams took on the BYU Cougars.

The H20 Frogs lost by 12 points to the Rams on Wednesday, while the men's and women's teams lost by a combined total of 134 to the Cougars on Saturday.

The Horned Frogs (17-12 overall, 5-9 conference) faced another 3 game loss against No. 18 BYU Cougars (20-4 overall, 10-3 conference) Saturday night.The Frogs fell short at the beginning of game one and started to climb back up with 12-17. Lauren Otto served three straight aces and there were several kills by Nirelle Hampton and Kourtney Edwards. The Cougars kept their lead however with several blocks with the final score of 30-22.

The H20 Frogs are using Saturday's meet against the BYU Cougars as a way to guage their performance going into the start of conference competitions, said head coach Richard Sybesma.Led by senior distance swimmer Alejandro Gomez and senior sprinter Erica Tate, the Frogs were able to muster 169.5 points against the Cougars aquatic powerhouse.

"They have an advantage getting to train at altitude," Gomez said, "but I felt good, and we had some good races."

The women's swimming and diving team was defeated in a close meet against the Colorado State Rams on Wednesday night in the University Recreation Center.The Rams stole the win in the Frogs' first Mountain West Conference meet with just an 11-point lead.

Head coach Richard Sybesma said overall the Frogs swam well against Colorado State (4-0 in conference meets) and, while he said he expected to win, his team still fought hard.

"It's not that we lost to a team that's not on our level," Sybesma said.

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The Horned Frogs (5-2 overall and 1-2 in conference) will be trying to even their conference record and extend their winning streak to three games when they visit the UNLV Rebels on Saturday afternoon.Last season, the Frogs beat the Rebels (1-7, 0-4) 51-3 in Fort Worth.

This will be the first trip to UNLV for the Frogs since their 41-18 victory in 1998. The Frogs lead the all-time series 3-1.

One of the keys to last weekend's 26-3 win versus Wyoming was the offense, which looked aggressive, said Gary Patterson, head coach.

As the fall golf season comes to a close, the men's golf team looks to make a team effort as it gets ready for next week's CordeValle Classic in San Martin, Calif. During the previous four fall tournaments, the Frogs have shown flashes of their potential with two second-place finishes. But when they are not hitting on all cylinders, the team has finished 12th and 11th.

Junior Franklin Corpening said the Frogs need more production from the back end of their tournament teams in order to take it to the next level.

Even though the women's golf team didn't finish as well as they may have wanted, the coach said none of the players are getting down about the team's 11th-place finish at the Las Vegas Collegiate Showdown.Head coach Angie Ravaioli-Larkin said while the team's finish doesn't look too great on paper, it doesn't reflect the game played.

"Our finish doesn't show that great," Ravaioli-Larkin said. "But it is not that we played badly. Everyone in the league are really good players, which makes for a very competitive game."

Books and supplies: $810.Dining plan: $2,800.

Degree from TCU: $116,440.

Getting out of debt before retirement: priceless.

December is a month away and graduation for some seniors is in the not-so-distant future - followed closely by a bill for their education at TCU.

With the increasing cost of tuition, students are requesting more and more loans to help pay for their education, said Mike Scott, director of financial aid.

The provost set a goal to improve the student-faculty ratio from 14.7 to 1, to 13 to 1 at Thursday's Faculty Senate meeting.Provost Nowell Donovan said TCU must hire 59 new faculty to meet this goal.

In the past three years, 41 new faculty positions have been created, Donovan said.

Donovan emphasized to the group of about 40 faculty members the importance of forming one-on-one relationships with students and what it means to teach leadership.